FAKE sus,db and winstrol

[Mr H]

This gear is all made in this country in the north east!!!!!!!
On the lable it says made by Changchun Generics China! Also there is a gold hologram with genuine wrote in it!! People who have taken these products have made gains however its the preperation that worries most experianced BB!! Not under proper lab conditions !! I personally will not be taken this gear after all the advice i have recieved!!!
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[jimmy]

i used one item in their range and found it spot on...with no infections at all

[Wildboar]

I have never seen this type of labeling on gear.. Looks fake to me...

[crazycacti]

10mg multiple dose vial? emmm.....

the spelling on ther products is really bad too - emmm.....

[Wildboar]

so your saying this stuff is legit??

I never heard of the company before..

[crazycacti]

it might have active ingredients in it - but i would not use it? nope

its known in the north east (where i'm from)... and i know no-one who uses it - its crap stuff - stick to well known brands imo

[Wildboar]

Have you heard of usplabs ?

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no source posting please!

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[crazycacti]

rings a bell - but i'm not sure...

to be honest - i'd just stick to tried and trusted brands

[Wildboar]

Even the Organon that I've been getting some have been fakes...

Hard to get the real stuff in the states...

[DB]

never heard of them but if jimbo has used them they cant be too bad

[Wildboar]

Like Deca and Sust make by organon? Been getting with funny writing on label..no exp date.. things of that nature..

[jimmy]

never heard of them but if jimbo has used them they cant be too bad

I have only used one of their products (something that is always good)

i did hear after a little research that other products by them are not so good

[Wildboar]

Which brand of products do you use.. Or can i ask that on this forum ??

[jimmy]

personally, i use generic labs, sometimes BD also

these days however i use homebrew

homebrew is not something i advise as its very complicated to make safely as there is a danger of infection or worse

other than that i use the various pharma options available at the time

[ecksarmy11]

personally, i use generic labs, sometimes BD also

these days however i use homebrew

homebrew is not something i advise as its very complicated to make safely as there is a danger of infection or worse

other than that i use the various pharma options available at the time

Jimmy,
Tell us more about homebrew!
Do you mean things like UKB or actually making it yourself ?

If making it yourself then please elaborate because I am intrigued.

[DB]

basically u need a powder source from china or somewhere

u get the powders weigh them out go through the correct mixing ratios and them filteration baking etc... homebrew lol

but to be honest u have to be very sure of what u are doing..but it does work out very cheap

[Wildboar]

the only Homebrew that i've made besides beer is fina...

it wasn't bad.. just a little time cosuming..

I would like to learn more about Home brewing...

[crazycacti]

this is something that intrests me too -

think i'd still get the majority off my sources - but its good to know how its made imo

[Wildboar]

Here in the states sources are hard to come by, so most of us rely on Home brew.. etc...

[jimmy]

UKB is homebrew yes, but so are most generic companies to a degree, just on a bigger scale

i homebrew myself but i know what i am doing....as db says above, its pretty simple if you know the correct proceedure

i wont give any powder sources guys so you will need to do that yourself...please no PM's as i wont answer them

the best option is to go with UKB as I understand they are very good with their doses and they DO know what they are doing

the main benefits of homebrew is the cost...which is why i mention UKB, who are pretty cheep

BUT the main generic products are very safe and spot on too

BD, Generic labs, apex, generic suplement, Black label etc

stick with main stream as above and you wont go wrong.....make sure the sources are legit however as there are fakes around of most things

[Big Guns]

I've used the decca, sust, tren, winny, primo and masteron from that range. I'm inthe best shape of my life and have no complaints.

[Mr H]

Big gun how did you get on with the winny cos the guys i know who used it said it was almost impossible to inject due to blocking up!!!

[knuckles]

UKB is homebrew yes, but so are most generic companies to a degree, just on a bigger scale

i homebrew myself but i know what i am doing....as db says above, its pretty simple if you know the correct proceedure

i wont give any powder sources guys so you will need to do that yourself...please no PM's as i wont answer them

the best option is to go with UKB as I understand they are very good with their doses and they DO know what they are doing

the main benefits of homebrew is the cost...which is why i mention UKB, who are pretty cheep

BUT the main generic products are very safe and spot on too

BD, Generic labs, apex, generic suplement, Black label etc

stick with main stream as above and you wont go wrong.....make sure the sources are legit however as there are fakes around of most things



Thankyou for your kind reccomendations jimmy but please allow me to clarify something.
UKB isnt a homebrew set up bro.
UKB products are produced in a premises purposely designed for sterile manufacture.Homebrewing conjours up images of people in their kitchens armed with a whatman filter and bag of hormone powder.That is not how UKB operates.
FYI the premises isnt a fully equipped licensed laboratory either but it does have an overhead air filtration unit installed,aswell as a HPLC autosampler,autoclave,steam sterilising unit,and an automatic encapsulator.
Most of the other good generic companies will be working from the same sort of premises to be honest.If any claim that they own or work within licensed laboratories they are lying.
Regards

[jimmy]

of course ukb

i prob didnt explain myself correctly

what i mean by ug labs as yourselves, being homebrew is prob the wrong wording

all i mean is ug, isnt pharma

its efectively a home/warehouse, unlicenced lab (despite how professional they may be)

to my thinking, unless its pharma....its homebrew

this doesnt go to say its any better/worse....just different

as said above, i have homebrewed myself...it all came out pretty well i must say

i do have a Q for you though ukb

i am trying different ratio's of BA/BB but my prop still hurts

have i got to resort to ethyl olate (spelling?), or is there a majic ratio?

[crazycacti]

what concentration are you making it to? 100mg/ml??

what BA/BB ratio are you using atm?

on all the chemistry boards i visit 2% BA/15% BB has done 100mg/ml of prop everytime... 2/15 at 100mg shouldn't be painful imo

[jimmy]

100mg/ml

i tried 2/20 killed

i just made 3/15 better but not perfect

any lower bb and i worry it will crash

[crazycacti]

upping the ba from 2-3 will prob be a noticeable jump...

many pharma grade products use 0.9% BA... thats all that is needed to kill what the BA can if there is anything in there

i'd knock it down to 2/15...

i'd be worried about crashing at lower that 15% BB as well...

[Big Guns]

Mr H,

Yeah I had to use blue pins for the winny and it does tend to block occasionally, but a little extra presure sorts it out.

[jimmy]

cheers cacti

i will try that

[crazycacti]

not a prob :)

i know of one guy that uses up to 6% BA but what is the point really - if 1% does the job and you can go safe with 2 - then i'd go for 2 all the time... the BB at 15 should dissolve it fine after heating...

once dissolved i'd heat for a further 10 mins aslo - not sure if you do this already or not...

prob talking to someone who knows alot more about this than me though, lol

[DB]

How do u know so make about homebrew crazi... pm me ;)

[Anthony]

I pinched this link from his post on UKM

http://www.conversionboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2138

Theres a little bit of info...

[Anthony]

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

[kevmac]

hi all,
Ive used this stuff on/off for approx 3 years -- and they have now changed the labelling -- it is now red/black and white with a figure of a bodybuilder on.

and got to tell you all, never had any adverse reactions from this stuff - although not sure the strength is always constant in every bottle.

kev

[edy]

I thought DB are meant to be pink colour,
they could be real but just a new colour?